Old Testament Made Up

I’ve been entertaining the idea of the Old Testament being an artificial history for a while now. Now I found a video with interviews of Israel Finkelstein and other archeologists giving more credence to the idea.

Things that were irking me:

  • Old Testament is the only travelogue of Egypt not mentioning the pyramids OR the Sphinx.
  • According to the OT, 70 Israelites arrived in Egypt, 400 years later they left, 600,000 men strong. Add women and children, you arrive at 2 million people. An absurdly high number.
  • Biography of Moses looks a lot like the one of Akhenaten – leading some to assume Moses *WAS* Akhenaten and his Israelites the Hiksos (Akhenaten was ousted after 19 years of power and fled, maybe with the Hiksos, after trying to destroy Egyptian polytheism). I think the later inventors of the Old testament HEARD of Akhenaten’s story and re-used it and changed the names.
  • Genesis creation myth and Noah story are “borrowed” from Gilgamesh epos. Problem is: Again the persons are changed. Israelites wouldn’t want to derive themselves from Sumerians, right?
  • The whole idea of Jahwe giving the Israelites the commandments including Don’t Kill, then ordering them to murder the Canaanites. That doesn’t make sense at all. People tell me, yeah but the Canaanites were perverts. Hey that’s what the OT says about ALL nations that the Israelites allegedly wiped out or that Jahwe destroyed. Sounds *exactly* like the stories the NATO headquarters tell us about certain groups right before NATO attacks them – “mass rape atrocities committed by X’s army” – right before X gets bombed. Try it: Google Milosevic mass rape, Gaddafhi mass rape, Assad mass rape – It’s fun! Never gets old.

So here goes, Israel Finkelstein et al: 1 hour 24 min:

I should add, I view *MOST* of history as a construct now, mostly lies by the government of the respective time for political purposes. And I don’t trust scientists or their dating methods blindly either. Just accumulating more info, especially conflicting info.

The PURPOSE of the Old Testament might have been to lend more historical gravitas to claims by the Israelites on land or power. Similar to why, in Fomenko’s view, dynasties like the Hapsburgs might have invented more history than they actually had – I haven’t looked into the details of that. It has to be understood that the history of the Israelites is SHORT compared to Ancient Egypt and what came before it – even if the claims of the OT were correct.

The Flood likely happened 12,000 years ago (Meltwater Pulse 1A) – the 6000 year claimed history of the Bible therefore misdates the Flood; the authors obviously didn’t know the real date and probably thought 6000 years for the entire Earth’s existence would sound important enough for their purposes.

The Egyptians have on their side for being the much older civilisation: Tons and tons of really really old temples and monuments. Also about 12,000 years old: Göbekli Tepe in Turkey, excavated since mid 1990ies by Germans – probably built by nomads under the advice of highly skilled Flood survivors / Atlanteans / “the Gods”. From one moment to the other those nomads suddenly developed the skill to build a site of the size of Stonehenge times 50; plus, they at the same time discovered agriculture – a clear case of technology transfer.

P.S.: At 40:00: “But why should we care about the history of the Israelites?

Because  THEY invented the idea of a single God” – NO; that was Akhenaten – IF he was the first one to do so. Admittedly his people didn’t particularly like his destruction of the old pantheon.

And:

“And the idea of an individual with rights and responsibilities” -NO – Ancient Egyptian women were allowed to divorce and had equal rights. I guess that counts as rights and responsibilites.

 

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22 thoughts on “Old Testament Made Up”

  1. The Word, itself, doesn’t give a date. A human stuck that date on it. The Bible is a collection of stories whose theme is the nature of He That Is, YHWH, and the nature of that which He created, including humans.

    History is a collection of stories. Some stories will be absolutely true. Others will be conditionally true. The sojourn of the Children of Israel in Egypt never read like a travelogue to me, so who cares about the Sphinx and Pyramids. Those things don’t contribute to the story. Myths, legends, fiction or not fiction, when told to relate concepts to others are simply stories. One can over interpret things and that’s compounded by the fluidity of human language.

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  2. About 70 people becoming 2 million in 400 years, lets see: 35 breeding pairs having 10 children each, from age 14 to 40. 1st generation, before deaths is 35 *10 = 350. 40 years later 175 * 10 = 17,500. 80 years later 8,250 * 10 = 82, 500. 120 years later 41,250 * 10 = 410,250. 140 years later 205,125 * 10 = 2,051,250. Deaths slow the rate of increase, higher numbers of surviving children that successfully breed speed it up.

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    1. Not sure I understand your point of view.
      Considering Egypt had at the start time, let’s say 2 million people, and we add there 70 slaves, what will be Egypt’s population be after 400 years and those descending from the 35 pairs of slaves? From any other 35 pairs of slaves?

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      1. My point is that the numbers are plausible.

        I also think that pre-industrial population numbers are estimated and those estimates are way too low, particularly when much of the world had better weather then, compared to now.

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    2. CD, the fertility COULD explain those numbers; yet 2 million people exiting Egypt at that time in one fell swoop should have been an important enough event economically alone that we would expect Egyptian records reflecting it.

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      1. No recordings of the 7 plagues, no recordings of a huge spike in child mortality,… you think this can just be papered over perfectly? We even know everything about Caligula even though the Romas declared damnatio memoria on him….

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      2. They were recorded, though, as stories. That doesn’t mean that the other records survived. Soviet purges come to mind, as well as natural disasters.

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      3. One of the allegedly involved parties “recorded” it , true; the other party just didn’t notice. Oh BTW the Egyptians ALSO had their version of damnatio memoria: They erased what they could find about Akhenaten. Yet, as seems to be nearly always the case, this ALSO failed and we know about him. So all this purging whether for Akhenaten or for Caligula didn’t succeed. But for the Exodus and the plagues, it has? Highly unlikely. It just didn’t happen. This gives us also a reasonable explanation for the parting of the Red Sea: Didn’t happen.
        I’m not saying all of the OT is made up. There might be a little bit of authentic history from King David on. But Abraham, Moses, Solomon? Looks made up. It would be like me claiming historicity of Odin. (Nordic gods are archetypical Men Of Yore, like Abraham, Moses, Solomon are in the Bible)

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  3. Interesting point of view. You are right, there always was a strong incentive to put history in the “right” light. Did pharaohs not commemorate & celebrate victories which were not really victories?
    Akhenaten history if known could have very well be the source just like the Gilgamesh epos was incorporated.
    Interesting, wikipedia does not mention that Akhenaten fled, but mentions Freud considering the hypothesis of a high priest that fled after Akhenaten’s death.
    You are right, probably a lot of history was made up, as it is done today, one just needs to look as example how the chinese present history from their point of view, the japanese from theirs, which often contradict each other.
    Same with the Koran and its origins.
    One comes back to Orwell.
    Unfortunately we do not have yet the tool to look into the past 😉

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  4. I don’t have a lot of time now, but I’ll leave you with a couple of items. There’s a lot more support for the Torah account than many want to admit, and that many “experts” outright deny.

    1. This is a well done book by James D. Long.

    2. The Ipuwer Papyrus, dated to the time of the Exodus.
    http://ohr.edu/838

    Item 1 covers a lot, some of which I wasn’t aware of until I read it. Other material involves agreement between historical facts not mentioned in item 2 and events recorded in Jewish Scriptures other than the Torah (“Old Testament”). Don’t have time now, maybe tomorrow.

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    1. Thank you Yonason. I’ve surfed around, from time to time, trying to get sources. I have long concluded that the Bible is the best sourced set of stories of antiquity, with many artifact finds confirming it. As we know, Islam tries very hard to destroy these artifacts, whenever they have the power to do so.

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      1. Your welcome. I have more links on my other computer, but I can’t access them. Hopefully I can get it serviced so I don’t lose them, but that’s on hold for some months.

        Apologies to Dirk. I don’t seem to be able to locate what I was looking for, and won’t have time as I only have a week left to get ready for an extended visit to my daughter, where I probably won’t have access to a computer for the duration. I’ll just mention that the extant versions of the Torah agree remarkably well with those from antiquity. With only a handful of differences in letters that don’t change the meaning, that’s pretty good for a document over 3,000 years old. Compare with the “New Testament” which has over 200,000 variants, many in conflict, and it’s only 2,000 years old, with the Church in control the whole time it was being written. Also, Jews who have been separated for many hundreds of years are found to have Torah scrolls that are the same. That’s quite an achievement that wouldn’t be expected to happen by chance.

        OK, gotta start getting ready for my trip.

        Keep up the good work, especially with Sod and company over at NTZ. 🙂

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      2. cdquarles says:
        23. January 2017 at 21:25
        My point is that the numbers are plausible.
        Not if one looks from a general population point of view. Only if these 35 breeding pairs would get perfect breeding conditions and perfect care in detriment to all others? Is this a valid assumption?

        yonason says:
        26. January 2017 at 7:23
        I don’t have a lot of time now, but I’ll leave you with a couple of items.
        Thanks yonason, very interesting!

        The question is, if the Old Testament was written as Russell Gmirkin proposes this would explain most if not all these confirmations from other sources, if it is based on those?
        From Russell’s site linked above:
        “I am best known for my research on the circumstances behind the creation of the Hebrew Bible, also known as the Jewish Bible or Old Testament. In my 2006 book ‘Berossus and Genesis’, I argued that the very first evidence for the Hebrew Bible was the translation of the Books of Moses into Greek around 270 BCE, the famous Septuagint translation made by Jewish scholars for the Great Library of Alexandria. I proposed that these same Jewish scholars also wrote the Books of Moses on this same occasion, using various Greek sources found in the Great Library.

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      3. Your comment reminded me that I needed to watch the Gmirkin interview. Absolutely fantastic. He has it all traced down. Judaism is an artificial cult following Plato’s advice in The Republic.

        That calms me down a lot about Jewish endtimes plans. (Murdering all idolators for violating the Noahite laws. Christians *ARE* idolators for orthodox jews.)

        So the Jewish elite knows exactly that they run a Noble Lie-based cult. So they won’t actually try their SAMSON OPTION (with German U Boats).

        It’s amazing that the cult stayed stable for 2250 years.

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